Paul Wheaton, Toby Hemenway, and friends talk about deer control methods, which leads into a discussion on predator pressure in general. Some specific methods of response they discuss are having certain dog breeds around, and concocting Sepp Holzer‘s, bone sauce to keep animals off trees. They talk about the permaculture mindset, and turning “problems” that Nature presents into solutions by finding balance in the ecosystem and looking at the “problems” with a different eye. Having too many gophers, voles, and moles around is simply a pig deficiency–we can use animals to solve animal problems. Paul mentions the work of Allan Savory and his holistic range management.