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I visit with Helen Atthowe, goddess of the soil and longtime Missoula County Horticultural Extension Agent. We start off talking about compost. She is the most advanced composter I know. And we talk about how composting doesn’t have to be as difficult as people make it out.

We also talk about compost tea. Especially when it is of value and when it is not.

Helen talks about her horticultural philosophy which she calls veganic permaculture.

Helen and I then explore the space of veganism in general.

We also talk about how some native plants people stand against permaculture.